Comments on: Does PHP 5 Hurt PHP? http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/ The Art of Being Open Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:54:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Sandesh Magdum http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/comment-page-1/#comment-258019 Sandesh Magdum Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:00:31 +0000 http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/#comment-258019 I think the topic itself is a rubbish and outdated! Sorry if someone get's hurted, :) I totally agree with what stefan says! Just take the example of wikipedia.org. It's #1 website ranked and everybody uses it everyday to know about any unknown concept and it has no replacement till date. What technology wikipedia uses? Answer is PHP (from it's inception). By moving to PHP 5 , PHP will be become stronger and stronger day by day! I think the topic itself is a rubbish and outdated!

Sorry if someone get’s hurted, :)

I totally agree with what stefan says!

Just take the example of wikipedia.org. It’s #1 website ranked and everybody uses it everyday to know about any unknown concept and it has no replacement till date.

What technology wikipedia uses?

Answer is PHP (from it’s inception).

By moving to PHP 5 , PHP will be become stronger and stronger day by day!

]]> By: cybrsrfr http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/comment-page-1/#comment-175280 cybrsrfr Sun, 28 Dec 2008 06:50:27 +0000 http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/#comment-175280 Edward W: To reduce the resource requirements that you experienced with earlier versions of PHP5. You could try 'Zend Optimizer' or 'ion cube encoder'. With Zend Optimer' your code is byte code compile and optimized for performance. With Ion Cube encoder the converted to byte code and the byte code is obfuscated. With this or one of many other methods you can likely get the performance gain you need. Edward W: To reduce the resource requirements that you experienced with earlier versions of PHP5.

You could try ‘Zend Optimizer’ or ‘ion cube encoder’. With Zend Optimer’ your code is byte code compile and optimized for performance. With Ion Cube encoder the converted to byte code and the byte code is obfuscated. With this or one of many other methods you can likely get the performance gain you need.

]]> By: Edward W http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/comment-page-1/#comment-36078 Edward W Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:05:18 +0000 http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/#comment-36078 I agree with the assertions that many sites need very little to no recoding in order to move to PHP5. I was able to run PHP5 3 years ago without a single change in any code. What is never taken into account is the memory footprint of PHP4 vs PHP5. PHP5 hogs up to double the RAM per thread as compared to 'old and outdated' PHP4. This may have changed in recent versions but, in my experience, an upgrade to PHP5 on a high traffic (80M page views/month) site brought my servers to their knees due to performance and RAM waste issues. I was forced to revert to PHP4 or purchase upgraded/more servers.. in order to run the exact same code! How is this an upgrade? As for register_globals being removed at some point. This is the result of the stupid many causing a change for all, whether wanted or not. With correctly coded scripts, register_globals is not a security issue at all. I use them all the time and invite you to try to inject code on any of my sites. Correctly coding cannot be fixed by banning the use of possibly insecure features.. EVER. I, for one, will wait until the last minute to move to PHP5. Maybe by then it will be optimized enough to compete with it's older brother. I agree with the assertions that many sites need very little to no recoding in order to move to PHP5. I was able to run PHP5 3 years ago without a single change in any code.

What is never taken into account is the memory footprint of PHP4 vs PHP5. PHP5 hogs up to double the RAM per thread as compared to ‘old and outdated’ PHP4.

This may have changed in recent versions but, in my experience, an upgrade to PHP5 on a high traffic (80M page views/month) site brought my servers to their knees due to performance and RAM waste issues. I was forced to revert to PHP4 or purchase upgraded/more servers.. in order to run the exact same code!

How is this an upgrade?

As for register_globals being removed at some point. This is the result of the stupid many causing a change for all, whether wanted or not. With correctly coded scripts, register_globals is not a security issue at all. I use them all the time and invite you to try to inject code on any of my sites. Correctly coding cannot be fixed by banning the use of possibly insecure features.. EVER.

I, for one, will wait until the last minute to move to PHP5. Maybe by then it will be optimized enough to compete with it’s older brother.

]]> By: cybrsrfr http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/comment-page-1/#comment-33866 cybrsrfr Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:57:03 +0000 http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/#comment-33866 To learn the changes between PHP4 and PHP5 is less than a couple of hours of effort. To make the changes necessary for a project to work on PHP5 are rather minor and if it was developed with known best practices it will require no changes at all. So what is the big deal of moving on to PHP5? Moving a project to a new language will require a 100% rewrite vs 0-5% changes from PHP4 to PHP5. The PHP programming language must move on before it and its developers become obsolete. To learn the changes between PHP4 and PHP5 is less than a couple of hours of effort. To make the changes necessary for a project to work on PHP5 are rather minor and if it was developed with known best practices it will require no changes at all. So what is the big deal of moving on to PHP5?

Moving a project to a new language will require a 100% rewrite vs 0-5% changes from PHP4 to PHP5.

The PHP programming language must move on before it and its developers become obsolete.

]]> By: Ben http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/comment-page-1/#comment-33859 Ben Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:46:52 +0000 http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/#comment-33859 The decision to not release Security Fixes for PHP4 is not mine to make. Since the decision has been made, I can pass judgement on the decision itself. My actions do not come into play here. PHP4 and PHP5 and PHP6... security fixes will be an issue no matter what you choose. I think it would be best to go with a different language if security is your primary concern. There is no reason to stop security fixes for PHP4, but since they will stop, now is the perfect time to 'move on'. Just my 2 cents. Once bitten, twice shy. The decision to not release Security Fixes for PHP4 is not mine to make.

Since the decision has been made, I can pass judgement on the decision itself. My actions do not come into play here.

PHP4 and PHP5 and PHP6… security fixes will be an issue no matter what you choose.

I think it would be best to go with a different language if security is your primary concern. There is no reason to stop security fixes for PHP4, but since they will stop, now is the perfect time to ‘move on’.

Just my 2 cents. Once bitten, twice shy.

]]> By: cybrsrfr http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/comment-page-1/#comment-33858 cybrsrfr Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:40:03 +0000 http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/#comment-33858 Since PHP4 will no longer receive security fixes by the end of this year (2007) to wait for PHP6 or PHP7 will be a security risk. To skip PHP5 and wait for 6 or 7 is also a great way of allowing your PHP development skills to become obsolete while you are waiting for the next version. Since PHP4 will no longer receive security fixes by the end of this year (2007) to wait for PHP6 or PHP7 will be a security risk.

To skip PHP5 and wait for 6 or 7 is also a great way of allowing your PHP development skills to become obsolete while you are waiting for the next version.

]]> By: Ben http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/comment-page-1/#comment-33819 Ben Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:18:59 +0000 http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/#comment-33819 Just wait until PHP6 or PHP7, that's my recommendation. Just wait until PHP6 or PHP7, that’s my recommendation.

]]> By: banta http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/comment-page-1/#comment-33770 banta Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:17:20 +0000 http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/#comment-33770 When an user asked a php cms ( geeklog ) to develope a roadmap for php5 they [ Dirk - a core developer ] replied "And "no roadmap to go to PHP5"? Geeklog runs just fine on PHP 5 - no need for any roadmap ..." http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=6&showtopic=78913&show=20&page=2 If core developers are reluctant I wonder where it hurts them ! When an user asked a php cms ( geeklog ) to develope a roadmap for php5 they [ Dirk - a core developer ] replied
“And “no roadmap to go to PHP5″? Geeklog runs just fine on PHP 5 – no need for any roadmap …”
http://www.geeklog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=6&showtopic=78913&show=20&page=2

If core developers are reluctant I wonder where it hurts them !

]]> By: mark http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/comment-page-1/#comment-30259 mark Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:18:39 +0000 http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/#comment-30259 Does PHP 5 hurt PHP? Actually it is exactly the opposite... PHP4 is old and is harming PHP. Support for PHP4 should have been dropped a long time ago. Why because technologies evolve and if PHP doesn't evolve with it then it will eventually fizzle and die. The migration from PHP4 to PHP5 is quite easy and I don't see what people complain about. PHP5 does have compelling features like PDO, OO speed improvements, and more. Does PHP 5 hurt PHP? Actually it is exactly the opposite… PHP4 is old and is harming PHP. Support for PHP4 should have been dropped a long time ago. Why because technologies evolve and if PHP doesn’t evolve with it then it will eventually fizzle and die.

The migration from PHP4 to PHP5 is quite easy and I don’t see what people complain about. PHP5 does have compelling features like PDO, OO speed improvements, and more.

]]> By: Larry Garfield http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/comment-page-1/#comment-24966 Larry Garfield Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:49:23 +0000 http://sandro.groganz.com/weblog/2007/07/30/does-php-5-hurt-php/#comment-24966 Er, why? :-) No version of PHP provides strong typing. I doubt one ever will. If your problem with PHP 5 is that it doesn't provide strong typing, then you really shouldn't be using PHP in the first place and the version is irrelevant. Er, why? :-) No version of PHP provides strong typing. I doubt one ever will. If your problem with PHP 5 is that it doesn’t provide strong typing, then you really shouldn’t be using PHP in the first place and the version is irrelevant.

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